I am the great grandson of Harvey Ringer that you discuss. I sent another woman Suzanne Ringer a message as well to tell her everything. I have the more information that you don't have. Harvey Ringer Sr. was born in Copley, PA 07/01/1880. He died 03/15/1951 in Philmont, NY He married Bessie DeRalph. She died 07/01/1936. I did not know about Harveys first marriage. I knew about Mae and her marrying a Muth but I did not know she was from a previous marriage. Harvey had several children - Boyd, Carl, Ida, Malcom, Norwood, Raymond, Samual, Harvey Jr., Rheda (which I had the spelling Rita), Salome, and my grandfather which you and Suzanne (the other woman I emailed) missed - Louis. I have birth and death dates for a lot of the children. I think we definitely should talk and conversate about all of this. Also, have you heard anything about the name Ringer changing from the name Rinker? My father has talked about that but no one really know.