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Thompson C. Roper, Jr. (b 22 Jan 1868? - IL, d 06 Aug 1919 - Jasper, MO)
Posted by: William Alexander Roper (ID *****0344) Date: December 15, 2012 at 14:52:49
In Reply to: Thomas C Roper by Anna Neal of 1882

Thomas ROPER, age 44 (b abt 1866), and Emily ROPER, age 47 (b abt 1863), each born in Illinois, are enumerated with their family in Oakland, Jasper County, Missouri, in the 1910 U.S. Census. Thomas is shown to be an "Ice Man". He is shown to have been born to parents each of whom was also born in Illinois.

Source: Year: 1910; Census Place: Oakland, Jasper, Missouri; Roll: T624_791; Page: 3B; Enumeration District: 0056; Image: ; FHL microfilm: 1374804.

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T. C. ROPER, age 55 (b Jun 1874?? - IL), and E. J. ROPER, age 37 (b Nov 1862), enumerated in Carterville, Jasper County, MO, is very clearly the SAME couple based upon both location and other key data within the household, including the identities and ages of children: Gracie, Jessie, and Maudie. These children were all born in Missouri.

Source: Year: 1900; Census Place: Carterville, Jasper, Missouri; Roll: 866; Page: 3B; Enumeration District: 0048; FHL microfilm: 1240866.

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Missouri marriage records seem to show the marriage of an Emily LOPEMAN to a Thompson C. ROPER, Jr., in Laclede County, Missori, on 04 May 1892. This marriage seems to closely conform to the date of marriage shown in the Census records and the birth dates of the children. The marriage was conducted by Rev. WARE, a Primitive Baptist Minister. Thompson C. ROPER, Jr., is shown to be then a resident of Laclede County, MO.

Source: Ancestry.com. Missouri Marriage Records, 1805-2002 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2007. Original data: Missouri Marriage Records. Jefferson City, MO, USA: Missouri State Archives. Microfilm.

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In my experience, "Jr." usually denotes that a person share the SAME name as the person's father, while "II" may sometimes reflect another person of the same name within a family who is NOT related father-son (e.g. grandfather-grandson, uncle-nephew, etc.), but this is NOT universally true. In olden records, "Jr." was often used to denote the younger of two men sharing the SAME name in a place, even when only distantly related.

In this instance, there happens to be a Thompson C. ROPER, age 63 (b abt 1817 - TN), who was enumerated in Laclede County, MO, together with his wife Elisabeth ROPER, age 44 (b abt 1836 - IL). However, Thompson C. ROPER, Jr., is not readily identifiable in the 1880 Census. At least I haven't yet found him. Even so, Thompson C. ROPER would immediately seem to be the single best candidate to be the father of Thompson C. ROPER, Jr.

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In the 1870 Census, there is a Thomas ROPER, age 54 (b abt 1816 - TN) residing in Marion County, Illinois, with a female seemingly his wife Jane, age 36 (b abt 1834 - IL). There are three children within this household -- Richard, age 21 (b abt 1849 - TN), Martha, age 11 (b abt 1859 - IL), and Samantha, age 7 (b abt 1863 - IL). But there is NOT a Thomas or Thompson Jr. shown within this household.

Source: Year: 1870; Census Place: Central, Marion, Illinois; Roll: M593_253; Page: 51B; Image: 106; Family History Library Film: 545752.

The single best candidate in the 1870 Census seems to be the Thomas ROPER, age 4 (b abt 1866 - IL) shown to be residing within the household of William ROPER, age 35 (b abt 1835 - IL) and Elizabeth ROPER (b abt 1840 - IL), enumerated in Saline County, IL, in the 1870 Census.

Source: Year: 1870; Census Place: Township 9 Range 5, Saline, Illinois; Roll: M593_274; Page: 492B; Image: 212; Family History Library Film: 545773.

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Thompson C. ROPER is enumerated as T. C. ROPER, age 43, with wife Elizabeth, age 25, in the 1860 Census enumeration. There are a number of children, including a Jesse T. ROPER, age 23, within their household. There is NOT a child who could be readily identified as Thompson, Jr., though it seems most likely that Thompson, Jr., was born after the 1860 enumeration.

Source: Year: 1860; Census Place: Bond, Illinois; Roll: M653_156; Page: 221; Image: 221; Family History Library Film: 803156.

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Secondary sources show this latter elder Thompson C. ROPER as being born in Stewart County, TN, on 05 Feb 1818, and having died in Douglas County, TN, on 03 Aug 1894. He is purported to be interred at the Roper Cemetery near Vera Cruz, Douglas, MO. Perhaps grave markers there or death records in that county can confirm this information.

Secondary sources also identify his middle name as "Carroll". I am unaware of the primary records which support this assertion.

His wife is identified by secondary sources as Elizabeth Jane ARMSTRONG. It is asserted that Thompson and Elizabeth were married on 18 Nov 1855. It is asserted that she also died on 03 Aug 1894 and that she is buried in the SAME cemetery. It is UNCLEAR to me whether this reflects some reporting error or whether they both succombed to a common illness or calamity.

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Some secondary sources seem to show Thompson C. ROPER, Jr., as having been born on 22 Jan 1868 and having died on 06 Aug 1919 in Joplin, Jasper County, MO. It is asserted that he is interred at the Forest Park Cemetery in Joplin, Jasper County, MO. These sources also show him as "Thomas Carl" rather than "Thompson Carroll". These same sources show Thomas Carl ROPER as a son of Jesse T. ROPER, who is represented to be a son of Thompson Carroll ROPER.

While this seems plausible, I am NOT aware of the primary evidence which supports such an ascription.

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I would NOT accept this latter ascription without finding some primary support to verify it. Perhaps the information relating to the asserted date of death and place of interment can lead you to Thompson C. ROPER, Jr.'s death certificate OR perhaps Forest Park Cemetery in Joplin has some records. You also might check to see if there is a published obituary in a local paper proximate to the indicated date of death.

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Please let us know what you discover!


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