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Robt A. WILLIAMS (b Mar 1835, d aft 1900) and Robt A. WILLIAMS (b 1840, d 1921)
Posted by: William Alexander Roper (ID *****0344) Date: December 16, 2012 at 00:10:59
In Reply to: James Roper, Lawrence TN by Sue Davis of 1882

Yours is a very old post. Perhaps you have already sorted out the confusing Robert WILLIAMS records from Lawrence, Tennessee. On the chance that you are still struggling with this OR if others are having similar problems, I have sifted through the data and think I have cleared up much of the problem, as further discussed below.

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It appears to me that you have confused two roughly contemporaneous men named Robert A. WILLIAMS, as further shown below. One of these would seem to be Robert A. WILLIAMS (b Mar 1835, d aft 1900). This Robert A. WILLIAMS was mostly a Blacksmith and married Tabitha/Telitha ROPER.

The other younger Robert A. WILLIAMS (b 02 Jan 1840, d 04 Jan 1921 - Lawrence, TN) was the son of Lawson WILLIAMS and Malinda BARNETT. This Robert A. WILLIAMS was a Farmer.

Source: Ancestry.com. Tennessee, Deaths and Burials Index, 1874-1955 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2011. Original data: "Tennessee Deaths and Burials, 18741955." Index. FamilySearch, Salt Lake City, Utah, 2009, 2010. Index entries derived from digital copies of original and compiled records. FHL Film Number: 1299733.

These two Robert A. WILLIAMS are very close in age, lived in the same county and each had an adult son Joseph ROPER residing in their household late in life as is further shown below.

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United States Census -- 1850
Lawrence County, Tennessee

Lawson WILLIAM, 47, M, Farmer, [Born] NC
Malinda WILLIAM, 37, F, [Born] KY
. . .
Robert A. WILLIAM, age 10, [Born] TN

Source: Year: 1850; Census Place: District 2, Lawrence, Tennessee; Roll: M432_886; Page: 319A; Image: 634.

Here is Robert A. WILLIAMS (b 02 Jan 1840, d 04 Jan 1921 - Lawrence, TN) in the 1850 Census, shown residing in Lawrence County with his parents.

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The OTHER Robert A. WILLIAMS Might be:

United States Census -- 1850
Choctaw County, Mississippi

Paul WILLIAMS, 37, M, Farming, [R.E.] $1,300, [Born] NC
Sarah WILLIAMS, 36, F, [Born] SC
. . .
Robert A. WILLIAMS, 13, [Born] AL

Source: Year: 1850; Census Place: Western Division, Choctaw, Mississippi; Roll: M432_370; Page: 20A; Image: 44.

NOTE: This might NOT be the SAME Robert A. WILLIAMS as shown further below. Rather, it IS simply another Robert A. WILLIAMS closer in age and born in the correct state (AL). The place of birth of the PARENTS is NOT correct, though. And the migration pattern doesn't look right.

There are also several other alternative candidates, including Robert A. WILLIAM, age 14, of Montgomery County, TN, residing within the HH of John and Mary WILLIAMS; and Robt. WILLIAM, age 15, of Grainger, TN, residing within the HH of Thomas BRADSHAW. age 36. This is by no means an exhaustive list of possible candidates.

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Robert A. WILLIAMS m Telitha C. ROPER on 19 Aug 1857 at Lawrence, TN

Source: Ancestry.com. Tennessee State Marriages, 1780-2002 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2008. Original data: Tennessee State Marriages, 1780-2002. Nashville, TN, USA: Tennessee State Library and Archives. Microfilm.

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United States Census -- 1860
District 2, Lawrence County, Tennessee

Lawson WILLIAMS, 57, M, Farmer, [R.E.] $4000, [Pers. Estate] $1200, [Born] NC
Malinda WILLIAMS, 47, F, [Born] KY
. . .
Tabitha WILLIAMS, 24, F, [Born] TN
. . .
Robert A. WILLIAMS, 20, M, " [Farmer], [Born] TN
Nancy WILLIAMS, 18, F, [Born] TN

Source: Year: 1860; Census Place: District 2, Lawrence, Tennessee; Roll: M653_1260; Page: 403; Image: 149; Family History Library Film: 805260.

This is the Robert A. WILLIAMS (b 02 Jan 1840, d 04 Jan 1921 - Lawrence, TN) who later married Ruthy J. NEWTON, again living with his parents. To add to the confusion, he seems to have a sister named Tabitha.

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United States Census -- 1860
District 3, Lawrence County, Tennessee

Geo. [George] W. PALMORE, 24, M, Farmer, [R.E.] $300, [Born] TN
. . .
Robert A WILLIAMS, 25, M, Farmer, [R.E.] $100, [Born] TN
Telitha C WILLIAMS, 20, F, [Born] TN
Mary J.. WILLIAMS, 1, F, [Born] TN

Sourse: Year: 1860; Census Place: District 3, Lawrence, Tennessee; Roll: M653_1260; Page: 409; Image: 161; Family History Library Film: 805260.

This is Robert A. and Telitha Roper WILLIAMS. Robert is shown as being born in Tenneesee, even though in other later enumerations he is shown to be born in Alabama.

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United States Census -- 1870
District 2, Lawrence County, Tennessee

R. A. WILLIAMS, 30, M, W, Farmer, [R.E.] $200, [Pers. Estate] $200, [Born] TN
R. J. WILLIAMS, 30, F, W, Keeping House, [Born] TN
Wm. [William] J. WILLIAMS, 8, M, W, [Born] TN
John. A. RILLIAMS, 5, M, W, [Born] TN
Geo. [George] L. WILLIAMS, 4, M, W, [Born] TN
Thos. [Thomas] L. WILLIAMS, 2, M, W, [Born] TN
Ruth M. WILLIAMS, 2/12, F, W, [Born] TN

Source: Year: 1870; Census Place: District 2, Lawrence, Tennessee; Roll: M593_1543; Page: 11A; Image: 25; Family History Library Film: 553042.

This is the record YOU found. I haven't found Robert and Telitha in the 1870 Census. But note the OTHER records below. BOTH Robert A. WILLIAMS are still living in 1880.

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United States Census -- 1880
District 2, Lawrence County, Tennessee

R. A. WILLIAM, W, M, 40, Farmer, [Born] TN, [Father Born] TN, [Mother Born] TN
Jane. R. WILLIAM, W, F, 40, wife, Keeping House, [Born] TN, [Father Born] SC, [Mother Born] SC
William J. WILLIAM, W, M, 18, son, [Born] TN, [Father Born] TN, [Mother Born] TN
John R. WILLIAMS, W, M, 16, son, [Born] TN, [Father Born] TN, [Mother Born] TN
George W. WILLIAM, W, M, 14, son, [Born] TN, [Father Born] TN, [Mother Born] TN
Thomas J. WILLIAM, W, M, 12, son, [Born] TN, [Father Born] TN, [Mother Born] TN
Malinda R. WILLIAM, W, M, 10, son, [Born] TN, [Father Born] TN, [Mother Born] TN
Jane E.. WILLIAM, W, M, 8, son, [Born] TN, [Father Born] TN, [Mother Born] TN
Mary H. WILLIAM, W, M, 6, son, [Born] TN, [Father Born] TN, [Mother Born] TN
Frank J. WILLIAM, W, M, 3, son, [Born] TN, [Father Born] TN, [Mother Born] TN

Year: 1880; Census Place: District 2, Lawrence, Tennessee; Roll: 1267; Family History Film: 1255267; Page: 322A; Enumeration District: 113. [Image 13 of 16]

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United States Census -- 1880
District 3, Lawrence County, Tennessee

R. A. WILLIAM, W, M, 45, Blacksmith, [Born] AL, [Father Born] KY, [Mother Born] AL
J. C. WILLIAM, W, F, 39, wife, Keeping House, [Born] TN, [Father Born] SC, [Mother Born] TN
J. R. WILLIAM, W, M, 20, son, [Born] TN, [Father Born] AL, [Mother Born] TN
T. F. WILLIAM, W, M, 13, son, [Born] TN, [Father Born] AL, [Mother Born] TN
N. M. WILLIAM, W, F, 13, daughter, [Born] TN, [Father Born] AL, [Mother Born] TN
J. B. WILLIAM, W, M, 8, son, [Born] TN, [Father Born] AL, [Mother Born] TN

Year: 1880; Census Place: District 3, Lawrence, Tennessee; Roll: 1266; Family History Film: 1255266; Page: 230D; Enumeration District: 106. [Image 12 of 19]

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Ruthy J. Newton WILLIAMS (d 27 Dec 1881)

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There is a marriage record showing the marriage of a Robert H. [sic] WILLIAMS to a Margaret FREEMAN in Lawrence County, TN, on 05 Jan 1892. This seems to possibly reflect a 2nd marriage of Robert A. WILLIAMS as shown in the Census record below.

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United States Census -- 1900
District 2, Lawrence County, Tennessee

WILLIAMS, Robert A., Head, W, M, [Born] Jan 1840, 60, M[arried], 17 [Years], [Born] TN, [Father Born] NC, [Mother Born] TN, Farmer
WILLIAMS, Margaret, Wife, W, F, [Born] Oct 1845, 54, M[arried], 17 [Years], 6 [Children], 5 [Children Living], [Born] AL, [Father Born] AL, [Mother Born] AL
WILLIAMS, Minnie, Daughter, W, F, [Born] Jun 1885, 14, S[ingle], [Born] TN, [Father Born] TN, [Mother Born] AL
WILLIAMS, Joseph, Son, W, M, [Born] Dec 1887, 12, S[ingle], [Born] TN, [Father Born] TN, [Mother Born] AL
WILLIAMS, Hattie, Daughter, W, F, [Born] May 1890, 10, S[ingle], [Born] TN, [Father Born] TN, [Mother Born] AL

Source: Year: 1900; Census Place: Civil District 2, Lawrence, Tennessee; Roll: 1584; Page: 15B; Enumeration District: 0050; FHL microfilm: 1241584.

Robert A. WILLIAMS (b 02 Jan 1840, d 04 Jan 1921 - Lawrence, TN) seems to have remarried a Margaret abt 1883 after Ruthy's death.

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United States Census -- 1900
Lawrence County, Tennessee

WILLIAMS, Robert A., Head, W, M, [Born] Mar 1835, 65, M[arried], 42 [Years], [Born] AL, [Father Born] KY, [Mother Born] TN, Blacksmith
WILLIAMS, Telitha C., Wife, W, F, [Born] Mar 1840, 60, M[arried], 42 [Years], 8 [Children], 5 [Children Living], [Born] TN, [Father Born] TN, [Mother Born] KY
WILLIAMS, Joe R., Son, W, M, [Born] Aug 1859, 40, S[ingle], [Born] TN, [Father Born] AL, [Mother Born] TN
WILLIAMS, Carrie M., Daughter, W, F, [Born] Apr 1882, 18, S[ingle], [Born] TN, [Father Born] AL, [Mother Born] TN

Source: Year: 1900; Census Place: Civil District 4, Lawrence, Tennessee; Roll: 1584; Page: 20B; Enumeration District: 0052; FHL microfilm: 1241584.

Robert A. and Telitha Roper WILLIAMS are still living in 1900.

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United States Census -- 1910
District 2, Lawrence County, Tennessee

Robert A. WILLIAMS, Head, M, W, 70, M3, 7 [Years], [Born] TN, [Father Born] NC, [Mother Born] TN, Farmer
Emma E. WILLIAMS, Wife, F, W, 44, M2, 7 [Years], 4 [Children], 3 [Children Living], [Born] TN, [Father Born] TN, [Mother Born] Tn
WILLIAMS, Joe B., Son, M, W, 22, S[ingle], [Born] TN, [Father Born] TN, [Mother Born] AL, Farmer

Source: Year: 1910; Census Place: Civil District 2, Lawrence, Tennessee; Roll: T624_1509; Page: 3A; Enumeration District: 0072; Image: ; FHL microfilm: 1375522.

This is Robert A. WILLIAMS (b 02 Jan 1840, d 04 Jan 1921 - Lawrence, TN) remarried to an Emma.

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United States Census -- 1910
District 1, White County, Tennessee

There is a Talitha WILLIAMS, shown to be age 81 (b abt 1829) shown to be residing within the household of Theodore F. WILLIAMS, age 45 (b abt 1865 - TN), and Belle WILLIAMS, age 36, in White County, TN, in the 1910 enumeration. This Theodore F. WILLIAMS is very similar in age to the T. F. WILLIAMS shown in the 1880 Census enumeration, but the AGE for Telitha seems to be vast different from the ages shown in the prior Census data. In 1900 Telitha Roper WILLIAMS is shown to have been born in Mar 1840, which is fairly consistent with teh other Census data. It is therefore hard to reconcile this being Telitha Roper WILLIAM UNLESS her son has completely lost track of her age OR whe had been consistently misrepresenting her age in the Census enumerations prior to her death. Moreover, this Talitha WILLIAMS is shown to be enumerated within Theodore's HH in the 1900 enumeration, when Robert and Telitha Roper WILLIAMS seemed to be living independently in Lawrence County.

Source: Year: 1910; Census Place: Civil District 1, White, Tennessee; Roll: T624_1526; Page: 6B; Enumeration District: 0188; Image: ; FHL microfilm: 1375539.

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There is a grave marker in White County at Mount Gilead Cemetery for a Talitha WILLIAMS (b 16 Dec 1828, d 21 Mar 1912 - White Co, TN). The DATES do not seem to match, as discussed above, but this DOES seem likely to be the Talitha/Telitha shown in the 1910 Census enumeration residing in Theodore F. WILLIAMS' household.

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United States Census -- 1920
District 2, Lawrence County, Tennessee

Robert A. WILLIAMS, Head, M, W, 80, M[arried], etc.
Emma E. WILLIAMS, Wife, F, W, 54, M[arried], etc.

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This ought to help those with an interest in these WILLIAMS families reorient their inquiries!

NOTE: I am NOT directly related to the brnch of the ROPER family from which Tabitha/Telitha ROPER is descended.


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