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Very interesting. I am not really into geneology, but would be interested someday- you just took me back another generation. It looks as though Your Great Grandfater Gottlieb was the older brother of my Great-Great Grandfater (My grandfather's Grandfather). Gottlieb's younger brother, Michael, b. 1843, was married to Auguste Ernestine Mueller in 1870. Michael Died in 1934. One of their Children, (I don't know the name right off hand, but I think it was Wm. or maybe Rudolph) was my great grandfater, and one of his sons was my Grandfather Oscar. Oscar married Marlea Netzel, and they are both still alive and in there 80's living Near New London WI. I guess that would make you ,kathleen, cousins with my father Randy (or second cousins). Your Father and my grandfather would have been first cousins? I am interested in knowing where you got your research. I would be interested in knowing more about my family. Do you have any photos of Gottlieb, as I have one of Michael- Do you have any photos of Johann Michael, or any more information on them? I would appreciate it. Any advise to an amateur Geneologist? Thanks