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Re: Schulers from Trier, Treves, Germany near Luxembourg
Posted by: Charlene Reinhart (ID *****9421) Date: February 04, 2004 at 07:34:19
In Reply to: Michael Schuller 1870 IL Census Cook Cty by Charlene Reinhart of 393

I am researching the Luys and Schulers/Schullers of Prussia. I received 4 death certificates for 4 of the 5 sisters (Helena, Elizabeth, Anna, and Christine) of my great grandfather Peter Lawrence Schuler. He had another sister, Mary Schuler, that I have no information for except that she married a Mr. Esslins.

On the death certificate for Elizabeth Shuler, Christine stated that her parents, Michael Schuler and Elizabeth Luy, were born in Treves, Germany. On the death certificate for Christine Schuler, Anna stated that her parents, Michael Schuler and Elizabeth Luy were born in Traves, Germany.

I found out that Traves is the area around the town of Travemünde - which was in Prussia. The Trave River near Lübeck has given name to the area. Lübeck is a city in the German state of Schleshwig-Holstein, on the Trave River near the Baltic Sea.

My information above for Traves is wrong.

I received this e-mail from a Robert T. in Germany.

Charlene, I just wanted to make you aware of a couple of inaccuracies in your posting:

First, there is no such place in Germany as "Traves.! The city where Elisabeth Luy was born was Trèves! "Trèves" is French for "Trier". Back in the 19th century, the French name Trèves was also used as the English name for Trier -- just like the French name Cologne is still used as the English name for Köln, and the French name Munich is still used as the English name for München.

Trier is nowhere even near Travemünde! Trier is about 400 miles southwest of Lübeck-Travemünde in the Rhineland in western Germany. Trier is only a few miles east of the Luxembourg border. Trier is located in what was until 1945 the Prussian Rhine Province. Following World War II and the break-up of the huge state of Prussia, the southern half of the Prussian Rhine Province, the Bavarian Palatinate (in German: Pfalz) and the region of Hessen known as Rhine-Hesse (in German: Rheinhessen) combined to form today's state of Rhineland-Palatinate (in German: Rheinland-Pfalz).

As to Travemünde: Travemünde was not in Prussia! Travemünde belonged to the Free City of Lübeck. Until 1937, Lübeck was a Free City, like Hamburg and Bremen still are. Then in 1937, Lübeck was made part of what was then the Prussian province of Schleswig-Holstein and is part of the state of Schleswig-Holstein today.

One more thing: Until 1864, both Schleswig and Holstein belonged to Denmark. It wasn't until 1866 that they even became the Prussian province of Schleswig-Holstein.

Hope this clarifies some things for you. You were in the wrong part of Germany entirely for Elisabeth Luy's birthplace!

Second e-mail from Robert T.:

Charlene, the Luxembourg Airport is closest to Trier. From there, it would be about a 30-minute ride into Trier. You could also fly to either Cologne or Frankfurt. It would be about a 3-hour train ride from either of those two airports to Trier.

There's one inaccuracy in your last posting:

The Schulers did not emigrate from Trieste, Italy, because Trieste was not in Italy back at that time. Trieste is in Italy today, but back when the Schulers emigrated, Trieste was in Austria! In fact, Trieste was Austria's most important port. Trieste was Austrian until 1919. Following World War I and the break-up of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, the Allies gave Trieste to Italy. The Schulers thus emigrated from Trieste, Austria.

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