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James E. South 1862-1904 East Tennessee
Posted by: Fredrick Thomas South Date: April 17, 1999 at 08:55:06
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I would appreciate any info on the South family. My gr grandfather is James
Edward South 1862-1904 but I can't track the family beyond Bristol, TN/VA.
I correspond via snail mail with John South at Galax, VA and Donald W.
South at Timonium, MD. John is convinced that James must originate from
the Grayson County South's but nether of us can prove it. Donald has no
reference to my line at all. He said he had always known that a branch
went from Middlesex County, NJ up to Sussex County, NJ and then down to
Grayson County, VA by 1800. He speculates that my line may be descended
from children of Edmund South and Johannah Hull who went to Sussex County.

I am looking for the parents of James South. I am descended from
James and Sarah. Robert Edward South is my grandfather.

Descendants of James Edward South

Generation No. 1

1. JAMES EDWARD1 SOUTH was born December 1862 in TN, and died April 06,
1904 in Bristol, TN. He married (1) MARY C. CRUMLEY October 16, 1881 in
Sullivan County, TN. He married (2) SARAH LOUVENA MOORE January 08,
1897 in Sullivan County, TN, daughter of FLOYD MOORE and VIRGINIA JONES.

Died in 1904. Run over by a train near Ash Street.
I believe he was a carpenter. In "BRISTOL TENNESSEE/VIRGINIA A HISTORY
- 1852-1900" by V.N. (Bud) Phillips, on page 145 is listed James E.
South as a carpenter that during the 4th quarter of the 19th century
helped build Bristol.
2/16/97 I talked with Ruby (wife of Hubert South, my Dad's uncle) and
she said that James was a Preacher at Woodlawn Babtist Church and that
he also was an Insurance Salesman for Metropolitan Insurance Co. She
does not know if he was a carpenter. She said he was 42 years old when
he died.
6/12/97 I talked with Dorothy Jones (Carrier) (my Dad's 1st cousin)
today and she said that James was never a Preacher. My Dad had Hellen
Moore (his 1st cousin) check the church records and the results were
negative. I don't know where Ruby got her information. Dorothy said
that James was married before Venie and had a son and a daughter. The
son Kinny died in an institute. We believe he had epileptic seizures.
She said James was working for the Railroad when he was killed.
6/13/97 At the Sullivan County Clerks Office in Blountville, I found
both marriage records. James E. South and Mary C. Crumley was recorded
Oct. 16, 1881 and license was issued for James E. South and Sarah L.
Moore on Jan. 8, 1897 but never recorded. I also visited his grave site
at the Paperville United Methodist Church Cemetary on Church Circle off
the Paperville Road and Old Jonesborough Road. It had a flat stone with
the following inscription: "JAMES E. SOUTH BORN DEC 23, 1855 DIED APR.
6, 1904 A precious one has gone. A voice we loved is stilled. A place is
vacant in our home. Which never can be filled.". 1855 date is wrong.
6/14/97 I was at the Sullivan County Library in Blountville and found
from the 1880 Census that James was a Farmhand living with L. G. Dryden
and Eliza I. Dryden. He was age 18 in that census. Its possible he may
have been orphaned and/or was living with neighbors or relatives.
I found a 1905 news clipping that says "Kinney South is the name of an
orphan boy at the poorhouse. He has fits, and is a pitiable object.
His father who was killed on the railroad, was a member of the Junior
Order. Some members of that order paid him a visit Sunday and
manifested some interest in this poor, little unfortunate fellow. We
hope they will not forget him."
I found a "CENSUS PAPERVILLE CEMETARY Sullivan County, Tennessee" dated
June 1984, by Earl Wayne Wills and son, Andy Wills. James was not
listed. Apparently the census was not very accurate.
In the 1900 Census James was listed as a Carpenter. He and his wife
Venie had been married 3 years. Children listed: Sarah 17, Kenni 12,
Robert 2, Ollie born Feb 1900.

Notes for MARY C. CRUMLEY:
Sullivan County 1880 Census Index lists an Elizabeth Crumbey age 43 and
Mary age 12 (351). Could this be Mary Crumley because James South age
18 is listed in the Index at (356)? The number in parenthesis is the
stamped page number on the original schedule. They would have lived
near each other.

2/16/97 Ruby South, who was the wife of Hubert South, said that Venie's
name was Louvenia Moore.
4/4/97 I received a letter from Ruby stating that Venie was a Moore
(different line than Ollie) with a full brother Ed Moore and 3 half
brothers Robert, Charley, and William H. Phelps. She was born in 1876.
Buried at the Ordway Cemetary off the Volunteer Parkway. Her last
husband was a Humphrey.

Children of JAMES SOUTH and MARY CRUMLEY are:
i. LAURA E.2 SOUTH, b. October 13, 1881, Sullivan County, TN.

Notes for LAURA E. SOUTH:
According to Louella Burnette 6/97, Laura may have gone to Kansas.

ii. SARAH SOUTH, b. April 1883, Sullivan County, TN.
iii. KINNEY SOUTH, b. October 1887, Sullivan County, TN; d. April 18,
1910, Sullivan County, TN.

6/12/97 Dorothy Carrier (Dad's 1st cousin) said that Kinney had fits and
died in an institution.
6/14/97 I was at the Sullivan County Library in Blountville and found
from a 1905 news clipping that says "Kinney South is the name of an
orphan boy at the poorhouse. He has fits, and is a pitiable object.
His father who was killed on the railroad, was a member of the Junior
Order. Some members of that order paid him a visit Sunday and
manifested some interest in this poor, little unfortunate fellow. We
hope they will not forget him."
8/4/97 I found at the Sullivan County Library in Blountville a record of
his death. It said his age was 20 and that he died from "fits" at the
poor house, 5th District.

Children of JAMES SOUTH and SARAH MOORE are:
2. iv. ROBERT EDWARD2 SOUTH, b. December 24, 1897, Bristol, TN; d.
January 1986, Kingsport, TN.
3. v. OLLIE MAE SOUTH, b. February 02, 1900; d. Unknown.
4. vi. HUBERT L. SOUTH, b. October 21, 1902, Bristol, TN; d. April 12,
1981, Bristol, VA.

Data I have found is as follows:
Note: number in () is the stamped page number. All are in different

1880 Sullivan County Census
South, James age 18 (356)

South, Samuel age 14 (357)

South, William age 12 (358)

South, Samuel D. age 27 (361)
Susan 25
John F. 6
Docia B. 5
Martha C. 3
Mary E. 7/12

I believe that James (18), Samuel (14), and William (12) are orphaned
brothers. Samuel D. South may be a cousin or a brother.

1860 Sullivan County Census
South, Danl 51 SU-171-9
Ann 47
George 22
Catharine 20
Ephraim D. 18
Isreal 16
Granville 14
Evaline 12
Elic D. 10
Mary 8
Rachael C. 6
James W. 4
David Lawson 42 I assume that David, Mary and Gedeo's surname is
Mary 12 Lawson and that they are somehow related to Danl
Gedeo 10 since they reside in the same household. Martha may
1860 Sullivan County Census Continued
Martha South 1 be something different. Probably not a daughter.

South, Jesse C. 55
Elizabeth 26
Isabella 18
Mathew 7
Robert 5
Evaline 3
William 2
John Gibens 1 I believe John and Charles to be a Gibens not a South
Charles 71

South, Stephen 36
Mary 36
Martha J. 14
Cornelia 12
John C. 10
Rebecca E. 8
Sarah A. 6
Margaret 2

1860 Washington County VA Census
South, Clark A. 24 P.O. Abingdon Western District
Priscilla 22
Julia 2
Charles 1/12

South, Francis 21 P.O. Forks Western District
Frances 18

South, Samuel 26 P.O. Loves Mill Western District
Charlotte 29
Samuel 7
Sarah 5
Martha 3
Dancus 1 Could this be Dorcus below?

At the Abingdon Washington County, VA Historical Society I got a printout
of two white females who lived in Goodson (Bristol, VA) 1870 and died there
in 1870
Dorcas South 12 M593 1681 98 See 1860 Census above
Martha South 13 M593 1681 98 See 1860 Census above.

Johnson County, TN Marriages I have found.
Alexander South and Margaret Thomas 18 November, 1875
Benjamin F. South and Tempy Potter 31 October, 1880
Britain South and Anny Hamby 03 October, 1854
Clark South and Priscilla Vestell 26 June, 1856 - See 1860 Census above
Clark A. South and Charity C. Wooten 31 July, 1865 - Are these two Clarks
the same?
Eli South and Emaline Seward 18 November, 1855
Harrison South and Arline Hamby 28 November, 1858
Jesse F. South and Francis C. Wooten 27 January, 1860
John South and Jane Johnson 28 April, 1878
Samuel South and Anna Musgrave 04 April, 1853 - could they be the parents of
Samuel D. in the 1880 census?

Sullivan County marriages I have found.
James E. South and Mary C. Crumley 16 October, 1881
James E. South and Sarah L. Moore 08 January, 1897
E. B. South and Elvia Murry 15 March, 1902
J. G. Mullins and Billi South 28 January, 1899
Rueben South and A. H. Burnett 21 January, 1886
W. P. South and Mary E. Ford 14 November, 1886
Granville South and Permelia M. Barlow 28 September, 1865 Is he the same
Granville in
1860 census?
David E. South and Dolly H. Shaver 21 December, 1865
David C. South and Elizabeth Higganbottom 26 December, 1865
Squire Estep and Rhoda South 10 May, 1866
Adney South and Billi Taylor 26 November, 1905
H. R. South and Pearl Meardrith 30 January, 1909 - Bondsman - Henry South
D. C. South and Jessie Dritz 17 August, 1909
F. T. South and May Scarberry 27 April, 1910 - Strange, my initials are F.T.
W. H. South and Fannie B. Wyatt 16 April, 1911
Smalling South and Neeley Johnson Date not entered, on or after 11/5/1913 -
may not
have happened.
Smalling South and Laura Harless 28 March, 1915 - he finally found someone to

I found a Civil War pension list that shows David E. South and George W.
South were in Company F of the 13th Regiment of the Tennessee Volunteer
Cavalry (USA) (Union). I believe David to be the same that married Dolly
H. Shaver and George may be the same listed in the 1860 census age 22.

I got TVA data from the Sullivan County Genealogy WEB page. I am only
listing South data.


The Tennessee Valley Authority started the relocation of graves from
different cemeteries in the Holston Valley in the 1930's . The graves had
to be removed as the filling of the reservoir would flood or isolate many
of these cemeteries. Many graves were left where they were, and that area
flooded. The project was put on hold in 1942 and resumed in 1947.

Twenty Cemeteries were used for the REINTERRMENT of the bodies removed from
cemeteries affected by the filling of the Holston Reservoir.

R1 Relocated Brown Cemetery aka Rooty Branch Church Cemetery
R2 Cleveland Cemetery
R3 Montgomery Cemetery
R4 Relocated Holston Valley Cemetery
R5 Rust Cemetery
R6 Weaver Cemetery
R7 Glenwood Cemetery
R8 Paperville Cemetery
R9 Shipley Cemetery
R10 Taylor Valley Cemetery
R11 Westlawn Cemetery
R12 Rogers Cemetery
R13 Morning View Cemetery
R14 Pleasant View Cemetery
R15 Zion Cemetery
R16 Wyatt Cemetery
R17 Stophel Cemetery
R18 Florence Union Cemetery
R19 Emory Cemetery
R20 Cold Springs Cemetery

Cemeteries which were flooded by the filling of the Reservoir.
Valley-Old Slave-Osborne--Phillips-Slave.

Cemeteries which were isolated by the filling of the Reservoir.

Cemeteries that will be served by relocated roads after the filling of the
Reservoir. Brown-Gross-Odom.

from Holston Valley Cemetery to other area Cemeteries. I will then list all
the graves that were moved to the New Holston Valley Cemetery.

South, Susan F. b. 1854 d. 1924 Signed for by Mrs. O.V. Yaney, daughter;
moved to Glenwood Cem.


South, Charlotte C. age 46 dod 1877 Signed for by C. B. South.

South, Infant Inf. dod 1923 Signed for by C. B. South, father.

South, S. D. Mrs. age 45 dod 1932 Signed for by Mrs. Nellie Calhoun, daughter.

South, S. D. age 77 dod 1929 Signed for by Mrs. Nellie Calhoun, daughter.

South, Unidentified Unk 6 graves all Signed for by C. B. South, nearest.


South, Susan F. Lot 7 gr 3 From Cem 23 gr 100


South Cemetery in Holston Valley, no graves moved.

Johnson, Wm. Paul d. 1924

South, James ????

South, Willie d. 1909

South, Mary Ette d. 1936

South, W.P. d. 1910

South, infant d. 1916

South, Clinton Lee d. 1927

South, Winton d. 1930

South, Jackie d. 1937

I believe the Susan F. South to be the same married to Samuel D. in the
1880 Sullivan County Census, the age matches. I do not think Samuel D. is
the same as S. D. South above because S. D. would have been age 30 in the
1880 census. Of course, you can't rely 100% on census age.

PRIVATE CEMETERY - Located at Friendship Dock, South Holston Lake, Sullivan
County, TN, 9 miles from Bristol. It was copied 20 November, 1966 by Mrs.
J. S. Carmack and Mrs. Shirley Peoples.

W. P. South b. 02 September, 1869 d. 02 July, 1910
Mary Etta South b. 10 January, 1871 d. 07 December, 1936
Clinton Lee South b. 27 September, 1927 d. 27 October, 1927
Son of J. L. and Maggie South
Infant son of b. 18 February, 1916 d. 21 February, 1916
A. Smallen and E. L. South

Fred South
Goose Creek, SC


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