Re: Hiram Theall, NY & Canada, circa 1850
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Re: Hiram Theall, NY & Canada, circa 1850
Sharilyn Whitaker 11/13/04
Ms. Whitaker,
What you can do first is trash the Ebenezer Theall will apparently from
http://www.joyfuldia.net/pages/wills/wills2.htmhttp://www.joyfuldia.net/pages/wills/wills2.htm
It is an incomplete and jumbled copy. Also the reference is incorrect.
The following correct transcription from the accredited source(see below)is what the above site was striving for:
In the name of God, Amen, May 27, 1747. I, EBENEZER THEALL, of Rye in Westchester County, yeoman, being sick. After payment of all debts and funeral charges, I leave to my son Charles 5 shillings in full bar to all claims as eldest son and heir at law, besides what I have already given him.I leave to my daughter Sarah, wife of John Miller, of Bedford, my negro man, besides what I have already given her. To my daughter Susanah, wife of Joseph Haight of the Manor of Cortlandt, a cow and a calf besides what I have already given her. To my daughter Mary, wife of Joseph Merritt, Jr., of Rye, a negro boy. Ileave to my wife Anne the liberty to dwell in my old house, and the use of the kitchen, and the garrett over the storehouse, with my daughter Hannah, during her widowhood;Also my best bed and bedstead, and my negro boy.I leave to my daughter Hannah the liberty to live in the upper room in my storehouse, and I also leave her 2 cows. Of all the rest of my movable estate I leave 1/4 to my wife, and the rest to my four daughters, Sarah, Susannah, Mary, and Hannah. I leave to my second son, Joseph, all that part of my farm and plantation on Budds Neck, in Rye, where I now live, Bounded by a line running northwest from the south side of a rock lying north of a small swamp which lies north of my old orchard, over to Beaver Swamp (so called) till it comes to Westchester Old Path, and then along said path south, till it comes to the north bounds of that part of my farm which I have formerly given to my eldest son Charles, Then along his bounds, as far as he goes east, to the highway I have left, 2 rods wide, to my salt meadow, And to run southeast from the south side of said rock to Blind Brook; I also give him ¼ of all my salt meadow in Rye. I leave to my 3rd son, Hachaliah, all that part of my farm on Budds Neck where I dwell, being the north part of my farm, Beginning at the south side of a rock called Toby’s rock, and running northwest over Beaver Swamp to Westchester Old Path, Thence north to the land of James Wetmore, and then southeast along his land to Blind Brook, and then down said brook to a point southeast from said rock, in a straight line; I also leave him 1/4 of my salt meadow. I leave to my youngest son, Abraham, all the rest of my farm on Budds Neck, lying between that part given to my son Joseph, and that part given to my son Hachaliah, running from Blind Brook to the Old Westchester road. I make my good friends, Ebenezer Kniffin and John Carhart, executors.
Witnesses, Thomas Carhart, Manzell Roll. Proved June 13, 1747.
[Source: "Collections for the New York Historical Society for the year 1895", vol. 28; "Abstracts of wills on file in the Surrogate's Office, City of New York." [New York, Printed for the Society, 1893-1913], vol. 4 (1744-1753), pp. 128-129; Original copy of will in New York County Surrogates Court Liber 16, p. 141 (Other sources say page 56, and 156.)]
The above abstract is also incorrect in some respects.
1. The witness is Mangell Roll, not "Manzell."
2. The husband of Susanna, Ebenezer’s daughter, “Joseph Haight of Cortlandt Manor” is most likely incorrect. He is named as “Jonathan Haight” in William S. Pelletreau’s "Early wills of Westchester County, New York, from 1664 to 1784," (F. P. Harper, New York, 1898), pp. 99-100. However, this Pelletreau 1898 version of an abstract of Ebenezer Theall’s will is disturbing since it is rife with errors and incomplete which is unfathomable since Pelletreau was editor of the early New York Historical Society wills project that contains the Ebenezer Theall will abstract that I provide above.Nevertheless, “Jonathan Haight” seems to be the better bet for the wife of Ebenezer’s daughter Susanna, since David W. Hoyt’s "A Genealogical History of the Hoyt, Haight, and Hight Families," published in 1871, before both NYHS and Pelletreau, states, “Jonathan Haight removed from Rye to Cortland [Manor], N.Y., where he died before 1780, his estate being undivided in 1779. He probably married Susanna Theall, as early as 1730-’40; for Ebenezer Theall, of Rye, in his will, May, 1747, recorded at N.Y. City, mentioned his daughter Susanna wife of Jona. Haight, of Cortland Manor.”
To get the Ebenezer Theall will in its full and most original form, i.e., not an abstract, one needs to go to microfilm series of the NY Surrogate Court libers. This microfilm collection can be found in the Queens Borough [NYC] Public Library (Long Island Division), and also in the LDS collection.
Ebenezer Theall died between the date of his will, May 27, 1747, and its proving, June 13, 1747.
Which child of Ebenezer Theall is your ancestor?
And the mistake about Anne Brown having married both Daniel Purdy and Ebenezer Theall is vexing and stems only from both having sons Hachaliah, which automatically makes their spouses a daughter of Hachaliah Brown in the eyes of amateur and not so amateur genealogists, who have little time to plumb the depths of their assumptions when confronted with contradiction. I’ve studied the problem that’s tied you up and have no solid evidence that settles the matter. I can make some scenarios out of circumstantial evidence that suggests that Anne, wife of Ebenezer Theall, was a daughter of Hachaliah Brown, and some scenarios that let one believe that Anne could have married Daniel Purdy after Ebenezer’s death, a common occurence for widows back then, but nothing solid. There is too little information, thus anybody with a son Hachaliah in Rye, a very rare name anywhere, had to be descended from Hachaliah Brown. That’s the easy way out, although vexing for those who want to get it exactly right when confronted with the Anne/ Ebenezer/Daniel seeming confusion.
I'm keeping an eye out for something that may settled the matter definatively one way or the other, but I believe there's only a slight chance of that, knowing what is possible from the records available.
Joshua B. Miller
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