Re: Duchmann and Miscellaneous Collateral Families
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Duchmann and Miscellaneous Collateral Families
Douglas Beahm 9/09/04
Thanks very much for these notes!I've had this Lohr-Schmitt equation in mind for several years but had planned to do a complete extract of the Ulricus and early Ritter records, with an attempt to correlate them to later entries, and other work always kept me from concentrating on it.
So it would be that JD's nephew, Wolff, was accidentally killed by Lohr, his nephew by marriage, around 1632.
Georg Lohr, the Schmitt, was shot near the Mertzwiller Mill, 29 Oct 1635; I presume this is the older man, though he must have been in his 60s at the time. (I show a child of his, born 1605, whose name was illegible to my eyes when they were still relatively good.Is this perhaps the Claus who killed Wolff?My notes don't even show the bp sponsorship makeup, as a clue to the sex.)
The 1625 bp for Nicolaus, son of Wendel Diemer, is quite congenial, and it was my own initial presumption that this was Nicolaus (+1704), but I've come to wonder about it.The KB alone just isn't sufficient to establish this.His obituary suggests the age of this entry, but Hoppensak did not give an exact age, just 80 Jr, so it's hard to say if he meant to link this bp to Nicolaus' burial.At least 2 distant cousins who have also worked in the original records have likewise made the presumption of ID on Nicolaus, but it still seems highly inconclusive to me.
Jacob Diemer, "Kriegs Jacob," + at the end of 1658 at NM.He would appear to be the same one who first shows up in records of the very early 1650s, with wife Susanna and a couple of children bp here.Among the sponsors for his children are the Trumpeter at Mietesheim and the wife of Capt-Lt Eyermann, from Woerth, which suggests he may have been a soldier and would tend to link him with the "Kriegs Jacob" burial record.(Eyermann was an officer in the hochloebl: dupallischen Regiment, per one record at Woerth, perhaps a French Regiment de Duvall?He must have been in either the French or Swedish armies, more likely the French, since he was in Hanau-Lichtenberg at the end of the war, while the county was officially under French protection.)
In 1672 we have Heinrich Carl Diemer, son of +Jacob at NM, marrying Anna Scheer from Mannheim.Carl + 1712, age 63, so born c1649, or not long before the first record of this Jacob Diemer at NM.The name Heinrich Carl seems immediately "odd" for PF/NM in the 1640s.Is Carl son of the "Kriegs" Jacob who +1658?It's difficult to say which other +Jacob might have been his father, given the NM connection, so I tentatively place him as son of Jacob and Susanna.
I believe all of Carl's children have a sponsor from the family of Nicolaus Diemer.It doesn't prove a relationship but suggests a connection.Carl's descendants are legion at NM.From abt 1740 onward everyone there named Diemer traces back to him, and most if not all of his issue are also Duchmann descendants.
This gives the appearance, at least, of some connection between Jacob (+1658) and Nicolaus (+1704), though it's not necessarily a relationship.
Is there an entry for Nicolaus' marriage at Bischheim, as well as PF?Bohringer did not finish the paragraph at PF, though it is not probable he would have given a father's name further down the block of text.Hans Christman was born "early," per the marginal note by his bp, but not so early that the mother's pregnancy at the time of marriage could have been anything more than a wild guess, so this is not one of those "Hure und Bube" marriages, where the groom's father is never named.
A much more exhaustive search of Diemer &c was on my to-do list but I did not get to it.I could not immediately link a Jacob who fits the bill to the family of Wendel Diemer, although the use of aliases makes me unconfident that all the "Diemer" names in the early records actually go together as a family.(One correspondent in Europe surmised that "Bauer" may be the alias for the "true" Diemer in the old records, but a cursory search a few years ago did not convince me on that point.)
I also don't have the origins of Lorentz Diemer, c1605?-1633/34, who married in 1629 to the "gros Schwangers" Anna, dau of Jacob Duchmann, innkeeper at NM.They had at least 2 children but no traceable posterity.Diemer + "in the war" and Anna remarried to Georg Wolff jr.Her obituary gives an age, which is covered by an ink blot, though it seems possible she is of Duchmann's first, rather than second marriage.I don't have any bp sponsorship notes on her, and her marriage is listed inRitter's 3 pp of "uneheliche Kinder," not in the marriages proper.(The 1624 bp for the illeg child of Andreas Reis, on these pages, also seems to be the latest available record of Catharina Lohr, 2nd wife of JD.)
These 3 Diemer households all link to Duchmann, pretty early, though it seems a long shot that all 3 of them are related to one another.I'm just not sure that the pre-1650 Diemer in the PF KB are, any of them, the same families who are at NM after 1650, and given the alias usage, I'm not sure that any of them is truly "Diemer."
This needs citizenship books or inventories, none of which are available in the US, for real clarification.That's even presuming that any of those records are still extant!Bodmer's book on Swiss immigrants says PF was sacked and burned in 1633, though the church was obviously not burned, and the town was not deserted as were many of the others in the area.(There was, in 1633, a locally-major battle of the 30YW, between an invading army from Lorraine, on the imperial side, and the citizens of PF and the Swedish garrison there, on the other.The Swedish troops who were then besieging Haguenau sent reinforcements over, which tipped the scales.The contemporary reports don't mention any names.)
RT
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