Re: Tye's of Culpeper County, Va.& Oglethorpe County Ga.
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In reply to:
Re: Tye's of Culpeper County, Va.& Oglethorpe County Ga.
Bill Tye 12/31/08
Bill,
Most of theinformation below was researched by SHARON WITHERS with her remarks(SMW). Sharon is a highlyqualified genealogist and I believe she has done more research on the the Tye family than anyone else. You will see several of her many findings below. I have copied a few of the ones that show our John Tye which should answer your questions about his whereabouts during the war years. There are many more of her references that I have omitted to conserve space.
Sharon Withers notes:
"To my knowledge, there is no list of the 2500 men who accompanied General Rutherford on his expedition.The lists in the North Carolina Archives regarding the Expedition concern expenses for supplies, firearms, horses, and other needed items.John Tye hired out some or all of his horses to the Expediton in September of 1776 (the Expedition lasted one month). The great majority of the men were on foot but horses were needed to pull supply wagons.We do not know with certainty if he actually accompanied the Expedition but my guess would be that he most likely served as a pack horse driver or horse master.As I see it, if he didn’t go with the Expedition there was no guarantee he would get his horses back.It also seems to me that he would have lived in western North Carolina either near Davidson’s Fort or somewhere along the route of the Expedition.There is always the small possibility that he started out with Col Christian and the Virginia militia and, after the meeting with General Rutherford’s force on September 26th, was hired out to the North Carolinians but I think this is unlikely.A study of the counties along the route of General Rutherford’s Expedition might be helpful in locating John Tye prior to 1776."
REVOLUTIONARY WAR RECORDS (Researched by Sharon Withers)
All the records below are from the Treasurers and Comptroller’s Papers, Revolutionary Army Accounts, located in the North Carolina State Archives.
Reel 45, Volume B, page 60
Ledger page with the heading “Comptroler’s (sic) Office, Kinston”
Top left hand corner reads: “The United States of America To The State of North Carolina For Sundries allowed by a Committee of Claims as _____Report dated April 1777”
Number 132To John Tye, for Horse hire10.17.6 currency
Reel 46N, Volume E-6, pages 79-80
Ledger pages with the heading “The Cherokee Expedition Under General Rutherford”
On the side of the page is a notation “Bundle No. 3 Continued” No. 51John Tyeamount owed: 10 pounds 17 shillings 6 pence (10.17.6)
Reel 57, Volume I, page 17 folio 4 and page 18 folio 1
Ledger page with the heading “Specie Certificates paid in to the Comprtollers Office by John Armstrong, _______” Number 3251By whom granted: Carter and WilliamsTo whom granted: John TyeDate: 12 June 1783 Sum: 1.11.0Interest: 0.0.5To what time: October 1783Total Amount Principal and Interest: 1.11.5
Reel 58, Volume IV, page 91, folio 4Ledger page, left hand corner reads “Committee of Claims 26 April 1777” To Whom and For What Paid:John Tye, sundriesNumber of Voucher: 315Old ______: 27.17(.0)(This refers to amount owed)There is a notation “R8 132” without any reference or definition
More in between these two
Reel 61, Volume XI, page 15, foilo 2
Ledger page with heading “Comptrolers (sic) Office Kinstown”No. 132To John Tye for Horsehire ____10.17.6(SMW note: The unreadable word is a “V” word, I believe it is “Val” for “value” but I’m not positive)
There are many more references in theWar Recordsshown above. You can go to the source yourself to find the others.
Below are some of therecords showing John Tye in NC/Tennessee researched by Sharon Withers.
WASHINGTON COUNTY, NC DEEDS
13 October 1783Land grant to Isaac Ode for 300 acres in Washington County, on a branch of Lick Creek, adjacent land of JOHN TYE, John Newman, Joseph Tacker, and Joseph Henderson.(Now TN)
A PAY ROLL OF CAPTAIN JOHN BLAIR’S COMPANY OF MILITIA HORSEMEN OF HAWKINS COUNTY (NC, NOW TN) IN SERVICE AGAINST THE CHICKAMOGGA (sic) INDIANS BY ORDER OF BRIGADIER GENERAL JOSEPH MARTIN 1788
Name: John Tye Rank: Private Commencement of Service: November 14th Expiration of Service: December 22nd Number of Days: 39 Pay per Day: 12.6 Pay: 8.15.6
STATE OF NC TO JOHN TIGH (sic), GRANT NUMBER 511
For 200 acres at a rate of 50 shillings for every 100 acres; land in Hawkins County on the head of Muddy Fork of Cedar Creek, beginning at a small white oak in Joneses (sic) Yard.To be registered in Hawkins County.Witnesses: Richard Dobbspeight, Governor at Newbern.January 7th in the 17th year of Our Independence 1793 Conveyed by J. Glasgow, Secretary
Registered January 19, 1796
KNOXVILLE GAZETTE, VOLUME 4, NUMBER 2PUBLISHED 23 JANUARY 1795
Page 3, column 2: “On the 5th instant (SMW note: “instant” translates to “this month”), John Tye, junior, was killed and John Tye, senior, John Burlinson, Sherard Mays, and Thomas Mays wounded by Indians on the frontiers of Hawkins county.”
End of research by Sharon Withers
Bill, John Tye's name was on the petition of The North of Holston Men. And I found the following reference that you might want to check for yourself:
"Tuesday 26, May 1778 Ordered that John Tye be summoned to appear next court vs. Shadrack Moory." From Watauga and Its Records from "The King's Mountain Men" (Chapter 5) by Katherine Keogh White; Dayton, VA; 1924; pp. 8 - 35.(I found this from HeritageQuest)
I also want to mention that it has been said that John Tye fought in a Virginia line during the Revolutionary War. However, the information and documents, as those shown above, do not show ourJohn Tye in Va. at that time. Some assumed that theMollie Tye who was living in Richmond at this same time with four children must have been John's wife and thus connected him with Virginia. However there is much reason to connect that Mollie Tye with the wife of John's brother, Anderson Tye. Mollie was his widow. John's wife, Mollie was busy having children in NC/Tennessee at the same time!
Know this will answer a lot of questions for you. Lois