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Dear William
Can you help me figure out where to find census and adress information for the period between the 1901 census and WWII
I am interested in the THOMAS ABBOTT family and the EVANS/JONES family of Rhyl
I have the following inforamtion which is a summary of what you have sent me and what I have thus far confirmed:
I have information from a relative (Stew) that indicates:
The grandfather "tide" often spoken of in the family may have been
Robert Jones born 1866 died June 16 1952
He was in fact married to a Grace born 1863 died April 19 1928
I do not have any marriage information
I do not have any Rhyl addresses
We know for certain that they had two daughters
Sophia Sophie Abbott (married name) born July 12, 1886 died July 9, 1975
Bet who was a half sister or a step sister of Sophia
Bet born November 1895 (information from a relative)
We also know for certain that the names Morris and John were linked with this family we suspect they were brothers since we do know they had brothers
There was mention that there were twins in the family somewhere.
This 1891 Census that you forwarded showed Grace Evans as 28 and poor. We know for certain they were a very poor family. We know for certain they were Welsh speaking.
From the census report that you sent me we can figure that this Grace Evans would have been born ~
1891 Census
Piece: RG12/4603
Place: Whitford -Flintshire
Enumeration District: 7
Civil Parish: Llanasa
Ecclesiastical Parish: Llanasa
Folio: 87 Page: 9 Schedule: 48
Address: Avongoch, Llanasa
EVANS Grace Head W F 28 Dom. Servant - Pauper Flintshire - Llanasa Language: Welsh
(this would make grace's birth 1863 other source indicates Grace born 1863 died April 19 1928 This could be a match)
EVANS John Son S M 9 Scholar Flintshire - Llanasa Language: Welsh
EVANS William Son S M 6 Scholar Flintshire - Llanasa Language: Welsh
EVANS Sophia Dau S F 4 Flintshire - Llanasa Language: Welsh
(this would make Sophia's birth 1887 other source indicates July 12, 1886 died July 9, 1975 this could be the correct Sophia)
EVANS Morris Son S M 2 Flintshire - Llanasa Language: Welsh
EVANS Catherine Dau S F 2w Flintshire - Llanasa Language: Welsh
Children
Sophie Evans born July 12, 1886 died July 9, 1975 (confirmed from relative)
1901 UK Census listing for Rhyl Flintshire
Sophia Evans, age 14, born Newmarket Flintshire, living Rhyl Flintshire (this would give a birth year of 1887)
Births March Quarter 1886
EVANS Sophia St.Asaph Volume 11b Page 307
I believe her biological mother was Grace Evans I do not know her biological fathers name
Sophie was married March 1911 to Thomas Abbott (born 1892 NOTE: I have other information that indicated Thomas may have been born in 1890 from two separate sources)
Thomas on the 1901 Census for Rhyl -
Thomas Abbott, age 11, born & living Rhyl Flintshire
I also have another source that indicates a Thomas Abbott born 1890 Rhyl Flintshire UK died 1977 Winnipeg Manitoba Canada
I believe this may be one and the same Thomas Abbott because he crossed to Canada twice …the second time approximately 1932 I believe he crossed from Liverpool
We do not have any crossing / boat information therefore we do not have destination information or immigration information
We do not have any information about other members of the ABBOTT family
Thomas Abbott/Sophia Evans Marriage
*Second source (Stew) Thomas and Sophia married March 1911
(we have family hearsay that indicates that Sophia may have been a servant in Abbott household)
Sources received from you
Marriages March Quarter 1911
Abbott Thomas St Asaph Volume 11b Page 405
Evans Sophia St Asaph Volume 11b Page 405
Thomas Abbott/Sophia Evans Children
Sources received from you and I have verification that three of these are correct for certain *
I think this was the "bluebaby" that was referred to throughout the years
There was this birth - no mother's name listed before 1912 so may be the one???
Births June Quarter 1911
Abbott Hilda E St.Asaph Volume 11b Page 296
Deaths September Quarter 1911
Abbott Hilda E Age: 0 St.Asaph Volume 11b Page 399
Births September Quarter 1913 (died Cardiff / Penarth Wales United Kingdom)
ABBOTT Vera Elizabeth Mother: EVANS St Asaph Volume 11b Page 579
*Births December Quarter 1914 (Confirmed through relative(Keith) November 26 1914 died? Vancouver British Columbia Canada)
ABBOTT Hilda Sophia Mother: EVANS St Asaph Volume 11b Page 542
*Births December Quarter 1918 (Confirmed through relative (Stew) Oct. 27 1918 in Rhyl died July 12 1999 in Edmonton Alberta Canada )
Abbott Marjorie Irene Mother: EVANS St Asaph Volume 11b Page 481
*Births December Quarter 1923 (Confirmed with Birth Certificate September 2 1923 in Rhyl died August 20 2008 London Ontario Canada )
Abbott Kathleen Mary Mother: EVANS St Asaph Volume 11b Page 473
I need if census information between the years 1901 and WWII to see who the family members were residing in the Robert Jones / Grace Evans household to confirm that this is the same grace as the 1981 census.
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